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Comments on: Quote of the day: An excellent conclusion on trade http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:46:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33227 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:46:31 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33227 @Greg

The argument could be justified – I dont’ have access to the social welfare function so I can’t say. One thing I would say is that, if we want to subsidise importers (beyond the implicit subsidy from the exchange rate) why only do it for importers with families?

@Swan

For sure – we just need to improve jail services so that people committing the crimes don’t miss out by as much …

@Miguel Sanchez

Good point.

@Paul Walker

By no economists would disagree, I meant no economist who is will to read it is a “potential pareto improvement” and not be pedantic about terminology 😉

@Miguel Sanchez

Indeed, I haven’t been able to get on your blog over the last few days either Paul.

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33225 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 21:12:38 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33225 Paul, what’s happened to your blog?

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33222 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:53:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33222 But wait …… if there are losses then it can’t be Pareto improving. To be Pareto improving it must be that someone can be made better off without making anyone worse off. Using compensation to make losses better off may make the policy Hicks-Kaldor improving but not Pareto.

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33220 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 11:16:43 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33220

Greg :So in the NZ context, with our comparative advantage in land-intensive production and comparative disadvantage in labour-intensive production, transfers from land owners to labour owners are appropriate. Working for Families, for instance.
No?

No. WFF is not a transfer from land owners, who have endlessly creative ways to minimise their taxable income. Instead it’s mostly a transfer from labour owners to other labour owners.

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By: Swan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33217 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:45:51 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33217 Even when the benefits outweigh the costs, the tabulation of gains and losses by groups highlights the facts that enforcing anti-corruption laws has distributional consequences. That realization should not induce policymakers to hinder the justice system.

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33215 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 07:49:02 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33215 @Matt Nolan
I’d note that you don’t need to assume frictions to get redistribution, only heterogeneity of labour. So they’re quite separate debates, although frictions will obviously amplify the redistribution in the short run.

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By: Greg http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33211 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 07:04:59 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33211 So in the NZ context, with our comparative advantage in land-intensive production and comparative disadvantage in labour-intensive production, transfers from land owners to labour owners are appropriate. Working for Families, for instance.

No?

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33208 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 06:13:06 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33208 @Greg

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Some economists may put on their normative hat, as people rather than economists, and reach that sort of conclusion. However, the general economic framework is very much premised on the quote about – and no standard economist would disagree with it.

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By: Greg http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/04/07/quote-of-the-day-an-excellent-conclusion-on-trade/#comment-33205 Thu, 07 Apr 2011 05:51:43 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=5906#comment-33205 Wait, what?

I thought the standard economist line was that the losers could frictionlessly move into the winning industries.

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