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Comments on: A point on debt http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/11/a-point-on-debt/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:12:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/11/a-point-on-debt/#comment-33719 Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:12:10 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6028#comment-33719 In reply to Richard.

The question here then is “how much of this has been “socialism for the rich” and how much has been providing liquidity to illiquid but solvent financial institutions”?

 

It appears that in the US context, it was very much a liquidity/preventing a bank run type of issue – compared to somewhere like Ireland where things are not as pleasent.

 

Another issue is of course the fact that banks are “implicitly backed” by government – and so can take on more risk then is optimal, and we face the burden.  In that specific case we have a market specific issue that may require intervention – which shows how useful it is to start with the aformentioned stylized facts about borrowing and lending, and then apply them to the modern banking system 😉

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By: Richard http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/11/a-point-on-debt/#comment-33718 Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:11:50 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6028#comment-33718 I was thinking more how bank and govt bond holder in the northern hemisphere (and SCF investors here ) have not had to bear losses thanks to taxpayer bailouts.  The consequences of recklessness have not been sufficiently felt to make people think twice about what institutions to trust in the future. 

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/11/a-point-on-debt/#comment-33687 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:23:15 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6028#comment-33687 @Richard

I would say that is still an issue – if the bank or government defaults they are saying “we aren’t paying you back man”, often with little in the way of actual assets secured on that debt. So the lenders just lose a bundle.

The governments/banks involved lose trust – which is a huge asset to lose if they want to raise more capital in the future.

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By: Richard http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/11/a-point-on-debt/#comment-33684 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:47:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6028#comment-33684 As an entirely glib comment, isn’t it a major factor today that your point 1. doesn’t seem to hold true if you are a lender to banks or govts?

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