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Comments on: Creeping nationalism http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:27:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: James K http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33921 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:27:39 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33921 In reply to goonix.

The ads they used to run with the WWII analogies were the most offensive thing I’ve seen on TV.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33888 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:39:08 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33888 In reply to rauparaha.

Indeed, and of course I would prefer not to focus on the idea of moral judgments too much – apart from making them transparent.

There is definitely an information issue, where people may not realise that trade could make us better off – and that is another important thing to educate people about.

However, during times like a global financial crisis we may face a short term trade-off in terms of work – and people have shown that they would be willing to significantly lower the living standards of people overseas in order to get some short term gain for people that happen to be born in NZ.

They can feel like this if they want to – but god dang it, the moral judgment they are making has to be transparent!

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33887 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:32:29 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33887 In reply to Matt Nolan.

I agree that it is worth pointing out the immorality implicit in some policies and statements. However, is the problem here actually that people have a mistaken concept of employment as a zero-sum game or is it just that the vast majority of people are xenophobes? If it is the latter then what is pointed out in the article won’t seem immoral to them.

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33885 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:59:29 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33885 In reply to Matt Nolan.

YEOW!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33884 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:59:22 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33884 In reply to rauparaha.

You are 100% right, 100%.

But, that doesn’t mean that illustrating the biases associated with this behaviour, and showing how they can be seen as morally inappropriate, has significant value.

After all, this is exactly what economists did with slavery.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33883 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:58:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33883 In reply to Nigel Pinkerton.

Boom!

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By: rauparaha http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33882 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:52:04 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33882 It just seems like good marketing to me: pick the things that define people as a group and persuade them that you’re in the group. Is all this hand-wringing really ever going to eliminate group-based discrimination?

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By: Nigel Pinkerton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33881 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:39:50 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33881 Boom!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33878 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:11:53 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33878 In reply to goonix.

Agreed, ick.

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By: goonix http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/08/24/creeping-nationalism/#comment-33877 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:01:27 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6104#comment-33877 Kiwibank ads used to make me wince in the same manner. 

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