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Comments on: Thinking straight on asset sales http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:13:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: DetMackey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35352 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:13:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35352 What about asset sales to fund farmers’ irrigation? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/policies/5939313/Key-announces-fund-to-boost-irrigation

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By: A fair price for asset sales » TVHE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35335 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 03:02:21 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35335 […] 10, 2011 Matt has posted about asset sales and believes that they’re a good idea as long as the government gets a fair […]

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35332 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:41:31 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35332 In reply to Bill.

Treasury reckons the deadweight costs of income tax means projects have to provide benefits in excess of nominal cost of somewhere around 20%. So if the proposed projects pass cost-benefit already by more than a 1:1.2 ratio, then they’re separable from asset sales. I’d expect that it’s only where the deadweight costs of asset sales are less than those from raising revenue from tax or borrowing and where the proposed projects only just failed cost-benefit at the 1:1.2 ratio that you can make a strong link between the two. I’d be a bit surprised if that were the case.

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By: Seamus Hogan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35331 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:36:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35331 In reply to Bill.

There are two reasons not to think of the two decisions as a portfolio. First, investing in schools, health, or whatever can be funded out of borrowing just as easily as from asset sales. The issue of whether the government’s net financial position is better with a portfolio of higher debt and higher ownership of equity (SOEs) is quite sepearte from whether that position should have more net debt coupled with social investment.

Second, it is a huge mistake of falling into the trap of calling social expenditure “investment”. Yes, in principle, expenditures in social areas can produce a return in the future, but, useful expenditures will be on-going (e.g. better teachers), not a one-off and the uncertainty bounds aroudn the return are too great to warrant financing out of borrowing rather than taxation.

My worry with National’s plan is that, in a silly attempt to make the asset sales more acceptable, they will put the money into bricks and mortar photo ops. Anyone with children at school knows that the most (only?) important determinant of a successful year is the quality of the teacher, not how nice the school hall is, how many computers the school has and whether there is broadband.

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By: Bill http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35330 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:58:50 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35330 I don’t see it the same way Eric does. I think it’s a portfolio. We can invest in assets, or we can invest in schools (or roads or health or…). Whether it is a good idea to sell the assets depends on the potential return from other activities. It is also complicated by the idea that we might improve the rate of return on the remaining investment if we change the shareholding.

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35329 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:40:19 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35329 I’m always suspicious of policies that tie together unrelated areas. Like, say, a tax on espresso to fund aid to the third world. If you oppose the tax, you must hate poor people. If you oppose partial asset sales, are you then against schools and fluffy bunnies and good happy things?

And, heck, I generally favour asset sales. But total sales, not partial. 

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35328 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:29:06 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35328 In reply to Eric Crampton.

You’d hope so.

The way I see it – without any analysis there is an x% chance a policy will be bad.  They put two policies together, and the chance that the new one is bad is greater than 2x% – as they are already introducing arbitrarily political fiddling to the process.

Of course, if x>50% this equation might not hold perfectly …

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35327 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:25:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35327 If asset sales are a good idea, they ought be a good idea independently of the use to which the funds might be put. The two decisions ought to be separable.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35326 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:20:34 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35326 In reply to Kimble.

Agreed – which gives it more than twice the chance to be bad policy!!!  Score.

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By: Kimble http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/11/10/thinking-straight-on-asset-sales/#comment-35320 Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:24:33 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6466#comment-35320 Those are really two different policies, crammed into a single electoral pill.

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