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Comments on: The economics of love http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 08 May 2012 18:38:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37742 Tue, 08 May 2012 18:38:25 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37742 In reply to Lady in Red.

Men obviously think hard about how to conceptualise love – that’s probably a good thing right.

Personally I think hard about anything to do with economics, so that’s why I’ve been commenting here. 

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By: Lady in Red http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37736 Tue, 08 May 2012 09:56:01 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37736 I love how its all men commenting here.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37543 Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:42:26 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37543 In reply to jamesz.

Isn’t that the next stage where I say caricature is inappropriate?

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37542 Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:41:11 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37542 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Whoah, are you trying to start a Sugden vs McCloskey methodology war here?! I think that deserves a post of its own 😉

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37540 Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:45:33 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37540 In reply to Paul Walker.

The structure of the firm depends on the incentives of individual agents, and therefore on the type of contracts they make in that environment given the endowment of resources and other institutions.  This process is the same as the evolution of any social structure – and it was merely that metaphorical point I was aiming to get at in the article.

Now I’m waiting for someone to point out that using the term metaphor to describe the process of economic modeling is inappropriate, because we do not really believe our models represent reality that directly – instead they should be seen as a caricature, as they exaggerate a given element so we can explicitly describe and discuss the behaviour of said element.

It is all this constant debate that makes blogging awesome 😉

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37532 Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:30:31 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37532 Agnitio is right the household version doesn’t sound as good! As to profit being internal to the “firm” as Demsetz notes (at least from memory I think it as Demsetz) profits are zero in equilibrium so the residual claimant really plays not role in the standard neoclassical model. Also even if profit (there are no on-the-job benefits) is the motive for production a firm is unnecessary to achieve the end, within the neoclassical model. As Foss (2000) notes “With perfect and costless contracting, it is hard to see room for anything resembling firms (even one-person firms), since consumers could contract directly with owners of factor services and wouldn’t need the services of the intermediaries known as firms” . All this follows from what Spulber (2009) calls the “neoclassical separation theorem”, which he says makes three assertions: “(1) firms maximise profits, (2) firms generate gains from trade compared to autarky, and (3) firm decisions are separate from consumer decisions”.

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By: agnitio http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37529 Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:58:03 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37529 In reply to Matt Nolan.

“Relationships are like households” just doesn’t quite have the same ring to it…

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37528 Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:20:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37528 In reply to Paul Walker.

Hi Paul,

I do not disagree with that fact – but to be fair the article was tongue-in-cheek.  Both firms and households involve the inter-relationship of individual agents, and the only real purpose was to show how the same methodology can be applied to thinking about romantic relationships – typical Becker.

Also, if we view the firm as creating a good outside the firm we also need to recognise that this only occurs because there is some expected benefit from selling said good – benefit that is internal to the agents in the firm, in the same way that “at home” production by households creates internal benefit.  After all, it is this fact that allow us to use the same methodology in the first place.

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37522 Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:16:46 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37522 “For an economist, a relationship can be viewed in the same way as a firm. Just like a firm, a relationship involves a number of individuals (usually two) who can work together to create a good or service – in this case the service created is the benefit of a relationship.”
No, the relationship isn’t like a firm. it is a household. Households involve individuals creating goods or services and a household is formed by the parties in a relationship. As Demsetz has argued the important – and for him defining – characteristic of a firm is that it produces for (and only for) those outside the productive unit. Households produce for those inside the unit. The relationship is formed to produce services in those in the relationship.

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By: Bill http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/04/17/the-economics-of-love/#comment-37518 Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:46:27 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=6908#comment-37518 Given that I am offering a perishable product whose quality will decline over time at an unknown rate, I figure it’s consumption-smoothing for me to lock in promises of a future relationship. Of course, that arrangement creates moral hazard, but she always has a potentially costly exit option that tends to militate against taking advantage of the contract.

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