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Comments on: Habit formation and the economic core http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 06 Jul 2012 00:02:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38663 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 00:02:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38663 In reply to Bill.

Possibly worth noting that the ‘investment’ concept of habit formation doesn’t require any particular schedule. Consequently, there’s no particular reason to choose one of Bill’s alternatives over the other on the basis of better habit formation, at least as discussed here.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38662 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:39:32 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38662 In reply to Bill.

Its true – and to be honest it was the idea of exercise, and changes to what you consume in terms of your diet, that really motivate that view.

Habits just seem like a great way to invest in time consistent strategies.  Seems like a good example to use for whatever level they teach this stuff at in university nowadays.

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By: Bill http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38658 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 22:43:23 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38658 In reply to Matt Nolan.

I quite like that view, and it is consistent with exercise advice. It takes X time to develop a habit, after which the activity is less onerous. So, if exercise is good for you in the long term, developing the habit now is an investment in creating consistency in behaviour over time.
The alternative to a habit is to decide each day to exercise. That is, you can either:
– develop a habitual schedule of exercise, or
– just choose each day what exercise you will do and when.
Over time, option 2 will require more effort of will. 

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By: How do habits help? » TVHE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38623 Thu, 05 Jul 2012 01:46:56 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38623 […] 5, 2012 We’ve posted over the past couple of days about habit persistence and you might be wondering why anyone […]

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By: Why do people form habits? » TVHE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38619 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 20:59:38 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38619 […] « Habit formation and the economic core […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38611 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:08:41 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38611 In reply to Bill.

All good stuff thanks.  I read a bit of Rabin a few years back, but can’t recall anything on habits in that sitting – I think it was more the methodology of behavioural economics type jazz.

I’m glad you raised the direct bounded rationality and cognative limits argument, as that is undeniably true.

Most of the literature I see treats habits as a preference, and even then the preference can be treated quite loosely relative to other preferences.

http://emlab.berkeley.edu/~szeidl/papers/commit_habit.pdf

(That seems like a cool paper, I’m putting it here so I can go back to it later ..)

Although rational addiction can be said to allow the habit to be determined by choice:

http://research.chicagobooth.edu/economy/research/articles/71.pdf

I really just want to find literature that states that habits can be seen as constraints, and so forward looking agents could use them to put themselves on time-consistent paths to improve outcomes for themselves.

Essentially I’m looking for more ammo for whenever James and me banter about time inconsistency 😉

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By: Bill http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38610 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:27:31 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38610 For references, try George Akerlof and Herbert Simon. Both look at rules of thumb, including habits, as cognitively efficient. The first creates an optimization model that includes mental energy (I forget whether it is in the objective function or the budget constraint). Simon takes a different approach: bounded rationality has two scissors blades, the structure of the situation and the rule of thumb. We trial rules in situations to find ones that work.
I see two problems with Simon’s approach. First, it pretty quickly becomes an optimization problem: I need to find the best rule for the situation. Secondly, in empirical work, it is difficult to distinguish the results of one rule from another’s, and even from optimization. On the other hand, it is hard to argue that chess masters review all options before making a move.
Akerlof’s work is closer to the Econ core.
Other names: Newell, Conlisk, Rabin for bounded rationality. There is also interesting marketing literature on habit. It might have been Colin Campbell — I would have to check my files.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38601 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 04:29:48 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38601 In reply to Eric Crampton.

Indeed it is.

I have been criticised on those grounds a number of times – which is why I wanted to just write a post making sure that my view of the “economics core” was able to handle such things.

I especially like the view that investment in a habit can be used by an individual as a commitment device – because it FEELS like things I do.  Not very sciency of me I know 😀

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38600 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 04:22:12 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38600 Oh, I know you’re not making that claim. But that claim is what’s usually made by the folks asserting potential meliorative policy around habit formation.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/04/habit-formation-and-the-economic-core/#comment-38599 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:37:05 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7107#comment-38599 “But it’s awfully hard to assert that you have better foreknowledge of what’s the right habit to inculcate for somebody else. You need to be able to show that fewer errors are made in total when you supplant others’ judgements, based on their local knowledge of constraints and their superior knowledge of their own utility functions, with your own.”

Indeed, I wouldn’t disagree with this in the slightest.  Of course, that was not a claim I went anywhere near in this post 😉

But IMO, the only way to truly show this is to consistently include habit formation in a description of the individual – as the formation of habits are part of the scope of preferences and behaviour that we discover when we look at our own actions.

By doing so I am in no way suggesting that we need to change peoples behaviour because of habits – if anything, rationally describing habits gives us an argument against comments like those made by Justin Wolfers when he was calling the limits on soda size a great idea.

The core of economics is the set of tools we can use for description and explanation – and this issue which economists are often attacked for “not understanding” actually fits inside our core.  It is a defence of the method, and a call to improve understanding – not a call to increase regulation of peoples choices.

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