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Comments on: The moral imperative of amoral theorising http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:24:16 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39323 Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:24:16 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39323 In reply to Eric Crampton.

When I teach it in my classes, I note that killing a homeless guy to save the lives of five scientists would likely pass cost benefit but would still be a pretty awful idea. And that CB gives a good way of ruling out particularly bad ideas, but not necessarily a great way of deciding which of many potentially good things should be done.

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39275 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:47:46 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39275 In reply to Eric Crampton.

I don’t disagree at all: having standard procedures and assumptions allows comparability, which is extremely important. It’s when the BCR becomes synonymous with ‘a good idea’ that I think it’s gone too far and people need to think about the moral component of the analysis. Economists don’t tend to deny the normative element of their analysis, but they pay lip service to its existence and stop there. I’m as guilty as anyone but that doesn’t make it better 😛

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39272 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 21:39:22 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39272 In reply to jamesz.

James, I have a lot of sympathy with this. But I’m still, always, working hard to stomp on my moral side when doing straight economic analysis. First, I’m probably in a thin tail of the distribution of moral views; having analysis be based on that really limits applicability. Second, there are standard sets of assumptions in things like Cost Benefit Analysis for a very good reason – it makes projects comparable and makes it less likely that differences in world view drive analysis. If you want to deviate, you’ve gotta explain why and make the case for it. 

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39240 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 04:03:03 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39240 In reply to Bill.

I’m sure you’ve heard Seamus’ views on how closely most economists hew to a purely consequentialist moral philosophy. I don’t think many economists see their work as bearing on morality, hence their eagerness to brush equitable issues to one side. In fact, I think many CBA practitioners neglect to recognise the moral component of their evaluations at all. Most seem to wave their hands about equitable issues and assume that efficiency is a positive criterion.

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By: Bill http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39236 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:00:58 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39236 Really fascinating quote. I would object that a lot of economists do see their work as moral, that it is morally right to maximise satisfaction from a limited set of factors.

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By: Bill http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39234 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:56:04 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39234 In reply to Mark Hubbard.

But that’s just an example of bureaucratic capture.

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39220 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:34:58 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39220 In reply to Mark Hubbard.

To abandon Bentham’s hedonic calculus 😉

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By: Mark Hubbard http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39218 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:14:05 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39218 In reply to jamesz.

What if it was proven by utilitarian principles that the majority of people in a society would be happier if economists were outlawed? If the Crown was your employer, what would your policy advice be?

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39217 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:59:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39217 In reply to Mark Hubbard.

Why, to satisfy their preferences, of course!

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By: Mark Hubbard http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/07/24/the-moral-imperative-of-amoral-theorising/#comment-39214 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:38:52 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7249#comment-39214 As I’ve said before, I believe there is an immorality, and that lies in your repairing, always, to utilitarianism. But forget all that; a question: what is an economist’s purpose, according to you?

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