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Comments on: Morality in sport http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/08/03/morality-in-sport/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:13:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/08/03/morality-in-sport/#comment-39717 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:13:42 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7351#comment-39717 In reply to DetMackey.

I’m sure I speak for James as well when I say that all typos will always be excused – otherwise I know I wouldn’t be able to get away with any of my blog posts …

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By: DetMackey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/08/03/morality-in-sport/#comment-39716 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:08:50 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7351#comment-39716 In reply to DetMackey.

Excuse all the typos.

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By: DetMackey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/08/03/morality-in-sport/#comment-39715 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:08:03 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7351#comment-39715 In reply to DetMackey.

If a badminton play cheats in the stadium and no one can tell, does it make a sound?

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/08/03/morality-in-sport/#comment-39706 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:32:59 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7351#comment-39706 In reply to DetMackey.

Indeed, the saddest part is that kicking them out is only likely to improve the quality of the ‘cheating’ in future.

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By: DetMackey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/08/03/morality-in-sport/#comment-39702 Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:12:15 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7351#comment-39702 In reply to jamesz.

Oh, yes, fans should direct frustration to the organisers.  But if we look at it in a game theory framework, the organisers might be responding the best way by throwing the teams out: I don’t think we’re going to see such obvious losing again!

At the South Africa World Cup we managed to get tickets to what was supposed to be a best gave of the group stage: Brazil versus Portugal.  Turned out to be the worst of the eight games we attended as both teams played for the draw knowing that was all they needed no matter any realistic result in the other game.  Maybe only 20% of the spectators were neutral fans, but that didn’t stop everyone booing the hell of both teams.  So, simultaneous games don’t work in all scenarios.

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/08/03/morality-in-sport/#comment-39695 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:11:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7351#comment-39695 In reply to DetMackey.

No doubt it’s undesireable to have these games, but I blame the organisers rather than the players. I didn’t know about the EPL situation but that’s an interesting way of overcoming the problem! I guess simultaneous matches reduce the potential revenue from TV advertising, so maybe that says something about the relative value organisers put on revenue vs athletes’ chance to medal.

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By: DetMackey http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/08/03/morality-in-sport/#comment-39689 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 22:09:27 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7351#comment-39689 I don’t know if it’s moral outrage, but that people want value for money.  If I’d paid olympic prices to see those games, I want to know that teams are trying their best.  I don’t want to see a forgone conclusion.

Of course, I could factor that into my decision to purchase tickets to the game, but when you’re purchasing so far ahead of time and have little idea about what the state of the competition is going to be then (ie whether teams are going to have the incentive to lose), it’s difficult.

Football has tried to limit the opportunities for these situations by having the playing the last game of pool play at world cups and in leagues at the same time.  You might remember the fantastic spectacle that was the end of this year’s English Premier League and Manchester United and Manchester City playing their games at the same time (with at least one overseas tv station screening both games in split-screen).

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