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Comments on: A hole in construction employment … really? http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/11/13/a-hole-in-construction-employment-really/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 23 Nov 2012 01:35:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: The case for not cutting | The Dismal Science http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/11/13/a-hole-in-construction-employment-really/#comment-40235 Fri, 23 Nov 2012 01:35:04 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7723#comment-40235 […] or a bit after productivity) during a recovery.  For this all I can say is that hours worked are not as weak as they appear in the HLFS, but we would need to forecast them picking up […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/11/13/a-hole-in-construction-employment-really/#comment-40177 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:38:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7723#comment-40177 In reply to Brennan McDonald.

Its because people get rewarded for “knowing what’s going on” – when it’s never that easy 🙂

This is why we can never read one piece of data in isolation – we need the other data, and a set of hypotheses. And this leads to fun issues of methodology, I love those ….

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By: Brennan McDonald http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/11/13/a-hole-in-construction-employment-really/#comment-40175 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:23:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7723#comment-40175 In reply to Matt Nolan.

It doesn’t help that journalists don’t realise the limitations of these statistics when they’re reporting and sub-editors certainly don’t when they make up their misleading headlines!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/11/13/a-hole-in-construction-employment-really/#comment-40169 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:09:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7723#comment-40169 In reply to Miguel Sanchez.

Labour productivity has been doing strange things in aggregate over this period – but I buy your point, we really can’t make a definitive conclusion about what is going on at present.

Pulling everything together all we know is that rebuilding work is picking up, and at least in the residential space higher house prices is starting to drive a planned supply response in Auckland. Putting magnitudes on any of this is a big call.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/11/13/a-hole-in-construction-employment-really/#comment-40168 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:06:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7723#comment-40168 In reply to Brennan McDonald.

Yar don’t get me wrong – I tried to make the exclusion of self-employment pretty explicit to show just how little we really know!

The hard thing for people trying to build a narrative around it is that we have different surveys saying different things, and both of them have significant issues at present.

When LEED is out, we’ll have a nice idea. Until then, the WPIP figures will give us the best idea probably :/

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By: Brennan McDonald http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/11/13/a-hole-in-construction-employment-really/#comment-40166 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:31:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7723#comment-40166 Wait, so self-employed construction sector workers are not included?
That makes the QES data useless for construction.

As does the fact that the HLFS includes self-employed workers – because of the nature of being a survey it will significantly under-estimate self employment numbers.

The construction sector both for private housing and commercial construction revolves around sub-contracting arrangements that are basically employment relationships but “technically” not, temporary and casual labour by way of recruitment firms and the reality that a lot of construction work at the margins will be “off the books”.

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By: Miguel Sanchez http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/11/13/a-hole-in-construction-employment-really/#comment-40165 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:01:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7723#comment-40165 And to muddy things further, neither employment measure bears much resemblance to actual building activity (the QES is slightly less worse to my eyes). Labour productivity must be doing some strange things if we’re to believe any of the jobs numbers.

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