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Comments on: The dessert co-ordination game http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 16 Nov 2022 09:48:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Phil Box http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40317 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:18:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40317 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Heh, I am one of 11 kids, no one waited for anyone else to make a decision as to whether to eat dessert or not. It was tuck in or miss out. It still haunts me to this day. When the prawns land on the table there’s no waiting around for other people to take first pick. Dessert comes and I’ll have all of them. I feel like a vacuum cleaner sometimes. I apologise later when I realise I have made a pig of myself though. ;))

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40312 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:59:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40312 In reply to Daniel J. Taylor.

Good shiz, I’d be keen to read it!

Coordination games are cool. Makes me wish I was doing applied game theory for a living 😉

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By: Daniel J. Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40311 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:34:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40311 This situation sounds a bit like the Abeline Paradox, a phenomenon where people in a ground end up making decisions against thier initial judgement because the first person in the group voices a decision which they think appeases the rest of the group (not always that persons own personal judegement either). The rest of the group then voice decisions alaigning with the first persons decisions and often against thier own judgement for fear that they would be ostacising themselves from the group be making thier true judgement known.

I wrote a paper earlier in the year expressing the reality this paradox plays within the participatory consultation processes of international development organisations 😉

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40308 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:25:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40308 In reply to fibby.

My family is as hard headed as I am – so if any of us were to suggest that it was silly, the rest of us would refuse to order anything as a matter of principle 😀

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By: fibby http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40307 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:02:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40307 In reply to jamesz.

In my experience, discussing it helps people to realise how silly it is. It’s common to hear the phrase “screw it” at this point, closely followed by “I’ll have the cheesecake”.

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40305 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:31:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40305 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Knowing that other people feel bad about being the only one to order a beer or to order a big dessert, I make a deliberate point of doing both. For the benefit of others. Because I’m a humanitarian. Perhaps one of the only ones left.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40304 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:16:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40304 In reply to Lew.

Very true. Family events always make me more sympathetic to the idea of a benevolent social planner.

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By: Lew http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40303 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:39:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40303 Nice.

Perhaps not in your family, but in some cases there’s a second coordination game at play — the game of “If you’re getting that, I’ll get this, then we can share and both get the benefit of tasting two desserts”. This is sometimes declared and sometimes not.

I’ve seen it go massively multilateral where, frankly, it’d be easier to just have a lazy susan — but in a constrained-communication environment it seems this would be a terrible minefield of potential regret for people who want to optimise their dessert consumption by variety rather than quantity.

L

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40302 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:32:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40302 In reply to jamesz.

That is true – and I did consider that the “fatness/unhealthiness” concern, combined with a cost of explicitly mentioning it, could actually imply that the eqm that we ended in is optimal.

And that is the kicker, no matter how hard we try we can’t observe other peoples preferences, so it’s all conjecture!

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/17/the-dessert-co-ordination-game/#comment-40301 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:40:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7920#comment-40301 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Oooops 😛

But while I’m here, what I meant was that the payoffs in the co-ordination game are probably a function of the resolution mechanism. So, ex ante, no dessert may be inferior. But, once you start discussing it, the ‘fatness’ becomes more salient to people and changes the payoffs such that ‘no dessert’ is now the optimal outcome. Essentially, talking about co-ordinating on dessert may re-frame the game.

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