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Comments on: Again with the middle class … http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/18/again-with-the-middle-class/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:34:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/18/again-with-the-middle-class/#comment-40331 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:34:38 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7946#comment-40331 In reply to Matt Nolan.

On that note, did you see the new Saez paper on inheritance tax. Looks interesting, only been able to spot the abstract on my phone while briefly in Hamilton though.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/18/again-with-the-middle-class/#comment-40325 Sat, 22 Dec 2012 21:30:54 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7946#comment-40325 In reply to jamesz.

I did read Diamond, and that paper was poor, and very partial – disappointing coming from two economists I highly respect

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/18/again-with-the-middle-class/#comment-40318 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:21:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7946#comment-40318 If you believe Diamond and Saez then 43% is waaaaay too low. I think it’s your priors coming to bear here, Matt 😉

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/18/again-with-the-middle-class/#comment-40316 Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:23:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7946#comment-40316 In reply to billbennett.

Indeed. If you want to subsidise children, just frikken subsidise children.

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By: billbennett http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/18/again-with-the-middle-class/#comment-40314 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:49:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7946#comment-40314 In reply to Matt Nolan.

“If we want to give people an income transfer, why would we want to do it for only people who are in employment?”

You mean like Working for Families? 🙂

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/18/again-with-the-middle-class/#comment-40313 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:03:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7946#comment-40313 In reply to billbennett.

Hey Bill,

I don’t disagree with that in an operation sense – and that is very much what IRD does in a practical sense at present.

But this is a typical implementation issue – a tax free threshold at a low level is irrelevant to it. If we turned around and added a tax free threshold, this is equivalent to giving everyone who is working a direct income transfer … and as a result, we need higher EMTR’s for the same ATR … which has a negative economic impact.

If we want to give people an income transfer, why would we want to do it for only people who are in employment? Not only is it random and indirect, it appears to be unfair.

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By: billbennett http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2012/12/18/again-with-the-middle-class/#comment-40310 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:01:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=7946#comment-40310 “reducing efficiency for no gain.”

In an economist sense maybe.

One argument used in countries where there are tax free allowances is that it frees up tax authorities from collecting lots of small amounts – which is highly inefficient in a different way.

I saw one news story in Australia saying it costs $X to process a single tax return. Eliminating all tax returns below a certain threshold means each tax payer contributes a positive amount to the total tax take.

Also, the total number of negative net tax contributors is far higher than you might imagine – large numbers of young people might only earn a few thousand a year. Taking them out of the tax system means far fewer tax collectors, which also increases efficiency.

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