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Comments on: “Rebalancing” and other morality plays http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:45:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Careful how we treat the “economy” | The Dismal Science http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-41047 Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:45:54 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-41047 […] can discuss this policy conclusion as a way of “rebalancing” – and in that case I will likely disagree as well, but it will be a debate on […]

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By: Careful how we treat the “economy” | TVHE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-41045 Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:00:55 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-41045 […] can discuss this policy conclusion as a way of “rebalancing” – and in that case I will likely disagree as well, but it will be a debate on […]

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By: Yo RBNZ | TVHE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-41008 Thu, 30 May 2013 02:30:47 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-41008 […] to structural issues” and the reason you have other economists and journalist going on about having the RBNZ “rebalance”, is because people explicitly think you are doing things to […]

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By: Yo RBNZ | The Dismal Science http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-41003 Wed, 29 May 2013 23:39:45 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-41003 […] to structural issues” and the reason you have other economists and journalist going on about having the RBNZ “rebalance”, is because people explicitly think you are doing things to […]

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By: Rant on more NIIP complaints | TVHE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-40983 Mon, 27 May 2013 20:43:28 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-40983 […] “Rebalancing” involves actually asking why the balance is how it is – and to be honest I’m absolutely sick to death with the fact that I’ve been repeating this point in the paper, on the blog, in meetings, in presentations, and drunk in bars and the peoples “solution” to it has been to entirely ignore the question (outside of say the RBNZ and Treasury, where they were working on trying to understand these issues well before I was a twinkle in Infometrics eye).  Disagree with me sure, but base it on an actual logical argument – can people answer f’ing why first.  “Solving” a problem without actually understanding anything about it leads to shit policy – and it’s just another indication that people involved in politics care more about sounds like they are trying to improve society, then actually trying to improve outcomes. […]

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By: Beware those bearing gifts of free exchange rate depreciation | The Dismal Science http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-40961 Sun, 26 May 2013 22:22:47 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-40961 […] is all old hat, and one day if you clearly articulate your views in a paper (so not whatever this was) I’d be happy to go through and see what assumptions we differ on.  On this note, I would […]

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By: Beware those bearing gifts of free exchange rate depreciation | TVHE http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-40949 Sat, 25 May 2013 05:13:43 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-40949 […] is all old hat, and one day if you clearly articulate your views in a paper (so not whatever this was) I’d be happy to go through and see what assumptions we differ on.  On this note, I would […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-40909 Tue, 14 May 2013 21:18:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-40909 In reply to jamesz.

Perhaps my issues is that is provides inappropriate value judgements. After all, since the left and the right both support “rebalancing”, this makes it sound like a thing we should want. However, it is just a different way of packaging an equity-efficiency trade-off that has winners and losers!

In this context, it makes me very uncomfortable

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-40906 Tue, 14 May 2013 08:42:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-40906 In reply to Matt Nolan.

I don’t have a firm view on this but I lean towards Blair’s. What would convince me is some empirical evidence on what public discourse leads to the best policy outcomes. Until then I don’t really see how we can evaluate the terminology unless it is genuinely misleading. At the moment ‘rebalancing’ seems more like an accessible way to wrap up a complex idea that embodies both descriptive and normative elements. As you acknowledge, there’s nothing wrong with that goal.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/rebalancing-and-other-morality-plays/#comment-40905 Tue, 14 May 2013 05:19:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8645#comment-40905 In reply to Blair.

Indeed – trade-offs without context are very difficult. Economists are not trained to apply value-judgments or motivate trade-offs – and my fear is that no-one is really trained to apply value judgments to the method of description economists use.

Hence, why I think that this is a discipline in of itself – and attempts to do this through calls to ideas like “rebalancing” are merely bad versions of what is attainable in this discipline.

There must be some attainable “hard core” for communicating economic ideas, where if you can get that across the framework can be used to easily communicate the important element of economic ideas.

I almost see it as a form of “controling the frame”, and being able to strip back layers of the narrative to fit in “contrary arguments” and make the other assumptions transparent. However, it is easier to look at this idea than to understand how to do it.

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