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Comments on: Gareth Morgan, housing, and blaming the RBNZ http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/ The Visible Hand in Economics Tue, 25 Jun 2013 03:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41258 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 03:24:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41258 In reply to PP.

They actually have to build housing though – if they just kept “transfering ownership” it wouldn’t crowd out, as one person buying a house is giving a corresponding capital transfer to the person they are buying it off!

And as a result, this again suggests that we need the excessive investment to take place for their to be this “misallocation of capital”.

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By: PP http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41257 Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:53:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41257 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Not if prior owners buy more of the same stuff – houses. Stock doesn’t move much, but price of stock does cos of change in debt. More leverage to own the same amount of stuff!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41221 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:59:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41221 In reply to Blair.

Yar, the RBNZ seemed to be thinking about many of these issues before we entered the 2000s – shows why the rest of the world has such a high view of them!

I haven’t actually gotten around to reading the IMF report yet 😛

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By: Blair http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41218 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:20:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41218 The RBNZ speech is good – it is clear they are are ahead of many of their OECD counterparts.

The IMF Financial Stability Report on NZ has lots of interesting data but doesn’t really refute or confirm Morgan’s thesis. I wonder what he knows that we don’t…

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41215 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:05:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41215 In reply to Deserthead.

Too much alteration and addition work? Sure I can see that – but that would also imply that our housing stock is of “too high a quality” … which is not something I’m sure is necessarily true.

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By: Deserthead http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41212 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:45:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41212 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Must admit, haven’t thought it through yet myself, but is there a quality vs quantity aspect to housing investment that is relevant here?

In short, could any advantages for housing investments mean “too much” investment goes into gold plating existing houses rather than building new ones?

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41206 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:21:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41206 In reply to Nazmul.

Rich? Or is there someone named Rick who is really into buying houses?

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41205 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 20:21:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41205 In reply to PP.

It should do – unless supply is completely inelastic. And if supply is completely inelastic, then a lift in investor demand for housing doesn’t “crowd out” other investor classes – as we have a corresponding transfer of wealth to prior home owners who can invest with it 😉

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By: Nazmul http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41204 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 19:48:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41204 so rick in investment for housing stock

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By: PP http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/#comment-41201 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:40:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=8927#comment-41201 Does excessive investment demand necessarily lead more housing stock?

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