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Comments on: The need for clarity on social capital http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:00:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: TVHE | Social Capital and Micro Credit Lending http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/#comment-42078 Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:00:44 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9309#comment-42078 […] Matt, the topic of Social Capital (SC) was recently raised, with some emphasis placed on recognising its oft-ignored “dark side”. […]

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By: TVHE | Resource booms and income distribution http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/#comment-41968 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:50:19 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9309#comment-41968 […] So thinking about what this inequality means, and some of the frameworks we may use to justify concern about it, […]

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/#comment-41782 Thu, 08 Aug 2013 06:37:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9309#comment-41782 In reply to Seamus Hogan.

Good point – I am sure a lot of people just use the term, which is disappointing.

The context I see it in is one of reputation, and the accumulation of “trust” in so far as it can be costly to verify statements so trust leads to people using a heuristic where they just believe you (reputation again!). This is, of course, a concept that is already used extensively within economics – both micro and macro.

In this context I’d see co-operation as a result of other things – rather than a product of.

And having people build up these heuristics does not seem like an easy thing to analyse, or a “self-evidently good” thing either. I had thought this point was obvious for a long time, and then I read the Spirit Level 😉

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By: Seamus Hogan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/#comment-41781 Thu, 08 Aug 2013 02:48:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9309#comment-41781 My problem with social capital is that I don’t understand the metaphor. Capital is a stock that is accumulated by forgoing consumption and that, in return, provides an ongoing flow of benefits. I may be missing something, but I can’t see the corresponding notion to investment and stocks versus flows in social capital. This is not to say that things like trust and cooperation are not important components of the success of an economic system, but it seems like the origin of the term is something like the following: Economists talk about physical capital and human capital and they are good things. But trust and cooperation are also good things so lets use the word “capital” to describe them as well.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/#comment-41775 Wed, 07 Aug 2013 22:25:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9309#comment-41775 In reply to Daniel J. Taylor.

Indeed – it is more the point that, if you want to “set policy on the basis of it”, make sure what you are assuming is clear and consistent.

My problem is that people are using “social capital” to justify whatever they want – rather than recognising that the concept is as old as the hills, and is a massive clusterf*** 😉

Hearing people talk about status goods as if it is a new idea, rather than being from the institutional schools of the 19th century, or even older Marxists (although I never found their conception as clear as Veblen), really indicates people are being a bit cheeky.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/#comment-41774 Wed, 07 Aug 2013 22:23:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9309#comment-41774 In reply to VMC.

Indeed, tis rocking!

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By: Daniel J. Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/#comment-41773 Wed, 07 Aug 2013 21:52:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9309#comment-41773 Ai, fields like sociology have been aguing the merits of good v bad social capital for as long as I can remember. Obviously, it depend’s on how one is framing “social capital”, its scope and limitations, and how it is being measured (assuming it indeed can). All too often it seems we have people arguing over quite different concepts which are being framed (within the argument) as being one in the same. I guess what I’m trying to say is… “good luck” searching for clarity. Social Capital is on hell of clusterf*** of a social theory 😉

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By: VMC http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/08/the-need-for-clarity-on-social-capital/#comment-41772 Wed, 07 Aug 2013 21:27:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9309#comment-41772 Thanks for the reference to the Vox-EU article – really interesting

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