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Comments on: Economics vs physics http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 21 Oct 2013 04:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: jjw http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42373 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 04:32:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42373 In reply to jamesz.

James, it is not that difficult. It’s is just very broad indeed.
It involves many important threads in physics, economics, philosophy, history, politics, biology, psychology, finance, mathematics, information science, and even religions! (Did Adam and Eve have free will ?)
But it is important. Otherwise, we would not talk about them for thousands of years. We don’t have better alternatives.

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By: jjw http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42372 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 04:22:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42372 In reply to Matt Nolan.

It’s very easy to see human choice are something fundamental for BOTH PHYSICS AND SOCIAL SCIENCE.

For example, if Hillary Clinton chose not to marry Bill Clinton, the course of history would be a slight different. Her single choice actually altered the course of the universe itself!

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By: jjw http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42371 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 04:11:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42371 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Matt, Wayne’s paper’s central point is that human choice is not reducible to anything else more fundamental. Therefore, choice becomes fundamental for BOTH PHYSICS AND ECONOMICS.
Then economics is a branch of quantum physics because every human decision is now a quantum phenomena. Then we need physics laws of social science to organize all thoughts in economics and other social science.
The detail biology of free will is not very important to economics. At this point, it is not well understood anyway.

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By: jjw http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42370 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:51:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42370 In reply to frswbsits.

You made a very good point. If it is a very general argument that anything including economics is quantum physics, it really solves nothing.

It must show it can help solve real problems, like creating a fundamental equation of economics ( http://econpapers.repec.org/paper/pramprapa/50695.htm ) that economists at least have something in common at the starting point for arguments.

That’s exact the problem of today’s economics. Everyone looks at the same economic data releases. Yet everyone has their own opinion. These are not average Joe. These are professional economists! In physics, for past 400 years, physicists very much arrived the same conclusions by looking at the same data set. Thanks to Newton!

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By: jjw http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42369 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:32:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42369 In reply to jamesz.

No. No. No. It’s not silly at all.

It turns out only physics can resolve for sure foundational questions in social science. For example, we could create a fundamental question for entire economics by using physics laws of social science. Please check out http://econpapers.repec.org/paper/pramprapa/50695.htm

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By: jjw http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42368 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 03:23:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42368 In reply to sdasd.

Quantum mechanics is all about choice. Physicists just sometimes feel more comfortable to use different terminologies like “wave function collapse”. Wheeler used the word “choice” in “Wheeler’s delayed choice”.

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By: sdasd http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42310 Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:18:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42310 choice is irrelevant when you’re talking about the laws of nature. nature is as nature is. our ‘choice’ has nothing to do with anything.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42042 Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:09:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42042 In reply to frswbsits.

I see your point that is what he’s saying – but I can’t help point out my concerns about free-will and determinism here (as it gives me a chance). I know that isn’t really in vogue nowadays – but doesn’t suggesting that human choice is reducible to quantum physics in a causal sense rule out free will?

I am less certain about our ability to find these universal laws …

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42041 Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:04:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42041 In reply to Wilbur Townsend.

And that is a good point – one I definitely agree with!

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By: Wilbur Townsend http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/29/economics-vs-physics/#comment-42040 Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:53:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9679#comment-42040 In reply to Wilbur Townsend.

Sure — from my experience only a few physicists spend as much time as they should contemplating the philosophy of economics anyway 🙂

I s’pose my point is that expecting *any* science other than physics to look like physics is silly.

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