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Comments on: Translation: Shifting the risk to the taxpayer http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sun, 22 Sep 2013 04:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/#comment-42202 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 04:33:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9288#comment-42202 In reply to john small.

Indeed, this is a very very important issue. I used to be more concerned about it than I am now, but it is something that really needs to be discussed by economists. I’ve also seen Gareth Morgan and his team discussing it more recently.

I discussed briefly here:

http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/06/19/gareth-morgan-housing-and-blaming-the-rbnz/

One of the key things is that the most “binding” rules are quite recent, and are less binding than they have been overseas. As a result, this is more an issue for thinking about a future – than necessarily an explanation of misinvestment in the past (which some have tried to make it about).

It is an issue I am under the impression the RBNZ is thinking about – and one that makes me nervous about to much central bank micromanaging through setting relative risk too directly. One of the reasons I have a preference for straight equity based regulation, or clear rule based policy:

http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/08/28/cochranes-macroprudential-rules/

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By: john small http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/#comment-42201 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 02:45:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9288#comment-42201 In reply to Matt Nolan.

me too. i wonder how influential the RBNZ’s prudential rules are here. they affect the cost of funds for a bank and they differ by risk class. that structure could easily mis-direct loan finance.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/#comment-42200 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 01:57:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9288#comment-42200 In reply to john small.

Market failures are definitely possible – like to see the argument made directly rather than what we often see 😉

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By: john small http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/#comment-42199 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 01:36:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9288#comment-42199 In reply to Matt Nolan.

fully agree re consistency. also agree that its not obvious that banks are not pricing risk in a socially optimal way. but that is entirely possible.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/#comment-42198 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 01:29:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9288#comment-42198 In reply to john small.

My key thought with this is that we need to make sure our views and policies are consistent – simultaneously saying that credit is too tight and financial institutions are too conservative, then saying that credit is too loose and financial institutions too risk (ergo macro prudential regulation) is inconsistent.

People will say, but its too tight for small firms and too loose for households – banks are pricing risk in the wrong way. This is an argument I’ve heard and something I do not find self-evident, I have to be honest!

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By: john small http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/#comment-42197 Sat, 21 Sep 2013 23:02:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9288#comment-42197 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Yes, to justify this policy it would need to be the case that financial institutions are “too conservative” in some sense. That certainly has happened before in the history of the world – as the successful rise of microfinance shows. Mind you, that also shows that markets can fix some of these problems.

Not sure what the story is in Israel regarding implicit government guarantees, but its a patchy landscape in NZ isn’t it? Plenty of finance companies have gone to the wall, though SCF got a bail-out.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/#comment-42196 Sat, 21 Sep 2013 20:37:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9288#comment-42196 In reply to john small.

So if we have a situation where the firm owners have unlimited liability and sufficient equity this isn’t a worry. Indeed, but this isn’t the situation – and in fact, if this was the situation why are banks not willing to lend?

Is our premise then that financial institutions are too conservative? If so, if that consistent with our view of financial institutions lending behaviour due to the existence of an implicit government guarantee?

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By: john small http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/09/19/translation-shifting-the-risk-to-the-taxpayer/#comment-42195 Sat, 21 Sep 2013 20:11:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=9288#comment-42195 Good question, but do we know enough about these contracts to make a call? If the private party remains on the hook for the government investment, then the risk hasn’t been shifted, at least not permanently. In that case this scheme could just be a way of addressing an “access to capital” constraint on start-ups.

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