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Comments on: Cross-subsidised by credit card ill-discipline http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/08/cross-subsidised-by-credit-card-ill-discipline/ The Visible Hand in Economics Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Andrew F http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/08/cross-subsidised-by-credit-card-ill-discipline/#comment-42442 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:04:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10338#comment-42442 In reply to Andrew F.

So I guess I should conclude “Yeah nah”. If everyone paid up monthly banks would not reduce the benefits to card holders. The benefits tend not to be cyclical. Sure, airlines are more likely to go bust during downturns (so those airpoints are not riskless forms of storing value) but generally rewards systems don’t get rejigged according to where in the credit cycle the economy is. On the other hand, interest payments and late fees are highly influenced by the status of the economy. So it would make no sense to try and balance these two and from my experience, the card issuers don’t.

As an aside, as Donal points out, interest rates on cards are not tied to any cost of funds (except in an extremely loose way i.e. if overnight rates went up to 20% you can be pretty damn sure card borrowing rates won’t stay at 20-25%) and it may be more appropriate to see the rate as a form of private stupidity tax. While you can be sure that a segment of the population are going to be stupid, structuring a card business (or any business) on that assumption is very risky (think legislation or social media campaigns). And believe you me, card companies employ some very smart cookies.

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By: Andrew F http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/08/cross-subsidised-by-credit-card-ill-discipline/#comment-42437 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:11:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10338#comment-42437 As someone who has examined credit card models in some detail, I confirm that a large chunk of their revenue does indeed come from the merchant fee. The interest is arguably the icing on top. Of course, much depends on how the card company (not all cards are issued by banks, especially overseas) selects their card holders. If they take a shotgun approach, they will expect poorer card servicing and thus will accumulate more in interest payments but also at the same time suffer higher write off rates. In contrast, selecting better “credit risks” means fewer (and less) late/interest payments and fewer write offs.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/08/cross-subsidised-by-credit-card-ill-discipline/#comment-42432 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 03:30:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10338#comment-42432 In reply to Will Taylor.

Indeedy, was more just trying to note that we appreciate we are only looking at one element of a complicated issue 😛

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By: Donal Curtin http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/08/cross-subsidised-by-credit-card-ill-discipline/#comment-42431 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 23:42:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10338#comment-42431 Will Taylor’s comment, that merchants can now surcharge for cards, is correct. It was one of the outcomes of the Commerce Commission’s settlement of the ‘interchange’ case against the credit card operators, though the main one was that the banks were now required to act as competitors for merchant business, rather than posting a collective price.
John’s comment is also absolutely on the money: this is one of those two-sided platforms par excellence (it’s even arguably a three-sided market), and as he says the big lesson from those markets is you have to look at all sides at once to see the full picture.
Incidentally, while there’s any amount of moaning about credit card interest rates, it’s not the full story. I remember being barracked about this when I gave a speech to a Probus Club when I was chief economist for one of the banks. “Why do you think you can get away with these extortionate rates??”, one person in the audience shouted at me. “Because you’re prepared to pay them”, was my answer. And to their credit the audience burst out laughing.

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By: Will Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/08/cross-subsidised-by-credit-card-ill-discipline/#comment-42430 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 22:59:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10338#comment-42430 In reply to Matt Nolan.

“if merchants aren’t allowed to pass on costs to credit card users”

From memory this is no longer the case in NZ.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/08/cross-subsidised-by-credit-card-ill-discipline/#comment-42429 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:45:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10338#comment-42429 In reply to John Small.

Indeedy! We chatted about that at work, and the feeling was that it would be best to focus on only one issue at a time.

I find the idea that, if merchants aren’t allowed to pass on costs to credit card users, they will end up increasing prices and making “non-users” cross-subsidise to be pretty interesting as well – as mentioned here:

http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2009/01/29/do-those-who-pay-with-cash-subsidise-credit-card-users/

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By: John Small http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/08/cross-subsidised-by-credit-card-ill-discipline/#comment-42427 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:09:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10338#comment-42427 Its certainly true that the banks do well out of those who end up paying interest on credit cards. But don’t forget the revenue that comes in from the other side of the platform. Much of the largess the banks shower on cardholders comes from the transaction fees paid by merchants.

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