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Comments on: Creative destruction: Discworld style http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 20 Nov 2013 02:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: deepred http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42499 Wed, 20 Nov 2013 02:25:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42499 In reply to Shamubeel Eaqub.

Sounds remarkably like the asset sales process. Or in Britain, the Community Charge.

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By: deepred http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42489 Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:19:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42489 In reply to Shamubeel Eaqub.

Not so sure about that. Politics and economics have always seemed to be a match made in heaven. The American, French & Russian Revolutions combined the two very explosively.

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By: Shamubeel Eaqub http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42472 Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:55:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42472 In reply to Matt Nolan.

I think you have hit the nail on the head here. I am currently reading “Thinking, Fast and Slow”. Our decision making can be impaired and we don’t even know it. In a fast changing environment, being aware of change is probably the best we can do and policies can be helpful if designed to create flexibility in the economy and create the necessary safety nets (welfare) and transitioning tools (education, training) to reduce the costs of such change.

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By: Shamubeel Eaqub http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42471 Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:52:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42471 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Sorry, been offline at home. I agree with both of you. The government should help to transition those facing changes (welfare, training, etc), but not necessarily by trying to pick winners (convention centre) or trying to stem the tide (protecting manufacturing jobs). In my mind, its more about getting the broad parameters right, rather than government trying to pick winners based on historical experience, because they are not necessarily a good indicator of the future.

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By: Shamubeel Eaqub http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42470 Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:49:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42470 In reply to deepred.

And also the importance of expectations, culture, etc and the tie in with politics to inform and gauge the mood of the public. In a functioning democracy, you get kicked out of power if making too many decisions/policies against public expectations/demands…

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By: Shamubeel Eaqub http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42469 Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:47:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42469 In reply to deepred.

I think politics and economics are not the same. So, some decisions are made for reasons other than what a dry economist would make…

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42466 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42466 In reply to Elinor_Dashwood.

Indeedy, there is nothing I disagree with there. As I note towards the end of my comment – I see what Shamubeel wrote more as a warning of the way policy may be used, or viewed, by some groups rather than pointing at anything directly in current NZ policy making circles.

Perhaps constantly hearing politicians talk about the number of manufacturing jobs, and what to do about the jobs, and how to get the jobs, may have been part of what he meant by policy circles – the response of politicians to change, rather than just the independent policy analyst 🙂

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By: Elinor_Dashwood http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42465 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:39:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42465 In reply to Matt Nolan.

I don’t think it has been established though that policymakers view all change as someting that needs to be regulated – indeed, Shamubeel seems to be saying the problem is the opposite. For example, he says we don’t have much policy discussion about training software engineers – what then does he want the Government to do about it? Shouldn’t he instead be applauding the Government for allowing the emergence of this new profession without seeking to impose policy on it?
Certainly, change happens. Not all of it is good, and very rarely is it to the benefit of absolutely everybody. Those who don’t benefit will tend to shout more loudly than those who do. Government can ignore the losers, or it can try to help them adjust to the change, or it can try to prevent the change altogether. The fact that “there is policy discussion about manufacturing job losses” is evidence that the Government isn’t folloing the first course, and nor should they – welfare reductions shouldn’t be ignored just because they happen to a minority. As to whether they should follow the second or the third course, well that depends on the nature and causes of the change

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By: deepred http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42464 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:33:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42464 In reply to Shamubeel Eaqub.

“We will create special legislation for a $400m convention centre, but
have a Venture Capital fund that has $200m under management…”

Not to mention similar kind of queue-jumping treatment for a mining company that owns a smelter in the deep south, a company town that thinks it’s a Hollywood studio, a struggling TV & radio conglomerate, and a company with a natural monopoly on copper wires. Your thoughts?

We’re constantly berated that the cupboard is empty, so why is it that those who happen to drive expensive luxury cars and wear Dolce & Gabbana can ask for as much taxpayer money as they like? It’s certainly not about the ‘job creation’. “People of the same trade seldom meet” comes to mind.

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By: deepred http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/13/creative-destruction-discworld-style/#comment-42463 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:19:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10392#comment-42463 In reply to Shamubeel Eaqub.

“We spend more time preserving the ‘character’ of suburbs through zoning policies than balancing it with other needs/desires”

It neatly ties in with the wider issue of Auckland being dragged kicking and screaming from an overgrown country town of 1.4m people to a global city of 1.4m people. Case in point: the suburbanist misconceptions about the Unitary Plan causing child obesity because kids living in apartments “have no backyard to play in”. Or the suburbanist misconception that anything taller than 3 levels belongs in Detroit or the Bronx. Such attitudes are not unlike that of anti-competitive practices by cartels.

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