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Comments on: A cash payment is not a ‘nudge’ http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/18/a-cash-payment-is-not-a-nudge/ The Visible Hand in Economics Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/18/a-cash-payment-is-not-a-nudge/#comment-42507 Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:21:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10405#comment-42507 In reply to jamesz.

Nudges appeal to the elite set; social cost studies to the radio listeners.

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/18/a-cash-payment-is-not-a-nudge/#comment-42504 Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:24:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10405#comment-42504 In reply to Eric Crampton.

That’s an interesting hypothesis. I do wonder how much these justifications, however poor, actually matter for the public debate. Unless they re-frame policies such that it changes people’s intuitive reaction to them, there shouldn’t be much change in the ‘demand for paternalism’. The idea of nudges is a powerful framing mechanism but only for people who are already deeply engaged in the policy debate. For everyone else it may just be another euphemistic label in a newspaper headline.

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/18/a-cash-payment-is-not-a-nudge/#comment-42503 Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:17:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10405#comment-42503 In reply to Emma.

That’s sad. I like the smoking cessation nudges that relate to time inconsistency but calling a cash payment a nudge is just silly.

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By: Emma http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/18/a-cash-payment-is-not-a-nudge/#comment-42475 Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:49:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10405#comment-42475 Indeed – this is quite ubiquitous. Using cash payments in smoking cessation trials is a popular “nudge” in the UK. It has made it to number 3 in this nudge database… http://economicspsychologypolicy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/nudge-database_3441.html

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By: Eric Crampton http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/11/18/a-cash-payment-is-not-a-nudge/#comment-42474 Sun, 17 Nov 2013 23:12:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10405#comment-42474 The original Sunstein and Thaler piece is brilliant. I’ve loved it since it came out as a working paper more than a decade ago. But it was very very likely that, put into practice, the idea would morph. It would turn into something used to justify far far more than Thaler would like. When a pile of people told him this, he called them “bathmophobes” – people with fear of slopes, slippery in this case. Now he spends a bit of time in his twitter feed complaining that {UK porn filter, NYC soda ban, etc} aren’t nudges.

I think my Mont Pelerin talk from a few years back holds up well. Thesis: where government covers most health care expenditures, pecuniary effects become policy relevant. Even in the case where your behaviour doesn’t change because of the cost externalisation, those bearing the cost resent it. Social cost figures get used to inflate the perceived pecuniary effects, labeling costs borne by users as costs to “society”, with the authors and commissioning agencies knowing full well that people hearing the soundbite will translate these into fiscal incidence rather than mostly being costs borne by users. Next, “nudge” makes paternalistic interventions seem less costly than they otherwise would. Social cost studies boost demand for paternalism; “nudge” pushes the supply curve out. And we’re getting to the new equilibrium.

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