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Comments on: On GDP and policy http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/02/13/on-gdp-and-policy/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:30:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/02/13/on-gdp-and-policy/#comment-42683 Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:30:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10817#comment-42683 In reply to Carl.

Indeed, and we’ve been pretty supportive of that on this blog. Ultimately, the idea is about trying to understand, measure, and articulate trade-offs that exist – the sort of thing every economist dreams about!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/02/13/on-gdp-and-policy/#comment-42682 Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:29:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10817#comment-42682 In reply to Carl.

Nice, however there are a couple of things I think are a touch underplayed:

1) GDP is an incredibly useful indicator in the right circumstances when answering the right question. GDP and unemployment should be seen as providing us a useful set of information when trying to understand matters such as the economic cycle. Furthermore, the measures embody in GDP to give us a relatively objective way of initially framing trade-offs – which are the factors we will then want to consider when actually considering social welfare.

2) I fear the idea that we need to pursue a measurable alternative to GDP leads us simply down the same path as GDP fetishism. Combined with the view that any such measure is something we should target, or maximise, this can lead analysts and policy makers to underplay the important of articulating the trade-offs of individual policies, and underinvesting in trying to understand those trade-offs. Aggregate measures have significant shortcomings when considering a policy, as they will always have a loose functional relationship with social welfare!

Of course, the point I raise are simply words of caution – definitely not a disagreement with the idea of considering ways we can represent aggregates, value judgments, and even trade-offs, in an accessible way.

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By: Carl http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/02/13/on-gdp-and-policy/#comment-42681 Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:17:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10817#comment-42681 In reply to Shamubeel Eaqub.

Treasury’s Living Standards framework goes some way to highlight different capitals, trading off between them intragenerationally and intergenerationally: http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/tp/higherlivingstandards

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By: Carl http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/02/13/on-gdp-and-policy/#comment-42680 Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:15:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10817#comment-42680 The best summation I have seen going beyond the discussion of limits of GDP (as its applied to wellbeing): http://www.nature.com/news/development-time-to-leave-gdp-behind-1.14499

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/02/13/on-gdp-and-policy/#comment-42673 Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:23:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10817#comment-42673 In reply to Shamubeel Eaqub.

I am really impressed with the direction the public service has gone in recent years – a lot more discussion about trade-offs in public.

New Zealand is actually a pretty great country for discussing these sorts of issues, given the lack of firm partisan fighting.

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By: Shamubeel Eaqub http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/02/13/on-gdp-and-policy/#comment-42671 Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:15:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=10817#comment-42671 I had a refreshing chat about this with someone from government last night. They urged caution against ‘hype’ around GDP growth. There are still areas of work to be done, particularly in persistent poverty.

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