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Comments on: Inward migration: A story of no-one wanting to leave http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/05/26/inward-migration-a-story-of-no-one-wanting-to-leave/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 29 May 2014 03:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Shamubeel Eaqub http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/05/26/inward-migration-a-story-of-no-one-wanting-to-leave/#comment-43253 Thu, 29 May 2014 03:43:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11434#comment-43253 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Why is the question of immigration only for the last 25 years? NZ has had immigration for a much longer period?

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/05/26/inward-migration-a-story-of-no-one-wanting-to-leave/#comment-43239 Tue, 27 May 2014 21:26:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11434#comment-43239 In reply to Michael Reddell.

This is a broad question about the long term level of net-inflows and involves thinking through two concepts:

1) Is immigration good for current residents.

2) How much do we, as a community, value potential future residents.

If we can argue that the first one is positive, there is no need to consider the second question – which is why this is where the debate heads (both in the literature and in your comment).

Now this can be seen as an open question. When NZIER released this (http://nzier.org.nz/publications/migrants-increase-our-incomes-nzier-insight-44) they were specifically noting that a higher population would lead to higher incomes for current residents. Furthermore, I was under the impression that both the literature on migration and agglomeration tended to support this type of view.

There may be some trade-off between income and other lifestyle elements (land per person, population density) but this makes it an open question – and it still leaves the second question of “social responsibility as a global citizen” open.

]]> By: More to gain from migrants | Homepaddock http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/05/26/inward-migration-a-story-of-no-one-wanting-to-leave/#comment-43233 Mon, 26 May 2014 21:00:45 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11434#comment-43233 […] Schiff (Hat tip Matt Nolan) points out we gain from […]

]]> By: Michael Reddell http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/05/26/inward-migration-a-story-of-no-one-wanting-to-leave/#comment-43232 Mon, 26 May 2014 18:53:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11434#comment-43232 Entirely agree that people are moving with a view to their own (and their families’) long-term best interests. Good for them. But that shouldn’t be the basis for New Zealand’s immigration policy. Rather the focus should be on whether people coming here (in large numbers) is in the best long-term interests of existing New Zealanders (ie the voters), The large net outflow to Australia – which ebbs and flows with the relative economic cycles, but has on average been large for decades – is an indication that for very large numbers of NZer, moving to Australia is in their long-term best interests. Indeed, such movement of resources tends to encourage factor price equalisation (as it did between Europe and the settlement countries in the 19th century). GIven the net outflow of NZers, it seems inherently unlikely that government administrative action to more than replace those leaving is likely to be in the best interests of NZers. It would be about as odd as if governments had reacted to the net flow of people out of Taihape or Invercargill by adopting policies that required immigrants to settle in those areas. Doing so might still have benefited the immigrants – there are plenty of places in the world worse off than Taihape or Invercargill – but is most unlikely to have benefited those towns themselves. When 60% of the public (according to two recent polls) favour greater restrictions on immigration, the onus should really be on the supporters of large scale inward migration of non-NZers to make a persuasive case that, in the specific circumstances of NZ, the increased migration of the last 25 years or so has been in the economic interests of NZ.

]]> By: Inward migration: A story of no-one wanting to leave http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/05/26/inward-migration-a-story-of-no-one-wanting-to-leave/#comment-43230 Mon, 26 May 2014 01:01:36 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11434#comment-43230 […] Matt Nolan I endorse this post by Aaron Schiff – go read […]

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