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Comments on: Discussion Tuesday http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/ The Visible Hand in Economics Mon, 25 Aug 2014 06:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: ben http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43523 Mon, 25 Aug 2014 06:37:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43523 I see complementarity between economists and data, economists bringing the frameworks and tools necessary to understand and use the data. So I would say the opposite is true.

Like the death of distance argument. Digital networks actually raised the rewards to agglomeration by more than they killed distance costs. A mobile phone is more useful in NYC than it is in Dakota, though it is useful in both places.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43518 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 20:01:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43518 In reply to Paul Walker.

Agreed 100%

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By: Paul Walker http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43517 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 15:43:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43517 Oliver Hart has writeen

“Although theory may not be as prominent as it once was, it remains essential for understanding the (increasingly) complex world we live in. One cannot analyze the bewildering amount of data now available without the organizing framework that theory provides. I would also suggest that one cannot understand the extraordinary events that we have recently witnessed, such as the financial crisis, or make sensible policy recommendations in response to these events, without the organizing framework of theory.”

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43509 Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:29:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43509 In reply to jamesz.

Sounds just like when people play MMOs

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By: Daniel J. Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43506 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:25:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43506 In reply to jamesz.

Nice.

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43505 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 10:18:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43505 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Although I read a paper this morning about how grade inflation could be good for everyone. It’s forthcoming in the AEJ:micro, so passed some solid peer review. Apparently the authors felt no need to test their hypothesis against any data or reality. Rather, reality just helped motivate them to construct a fantasy world for us all to gambol playfully around in.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2274210

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43504 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 05:50:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43504 From your comments Dan and James, I think we all agree that there are specialised skills required to “interpret” data – quantitative and analytic. No single discipline can truly encompass all of these, which is what is being suggested by the data scientist call (and is potentially sometimes the way economists act) – as a result the quote appears false.

But defining the analytic and quantitative content, and the way they inter-relate and are formed (eg the meta concepts of what is and categorization, which qualitative work helps with), is still a useful way to understand what a discipline has to offer. The person being quoted may merely be saying that, from their perspective, there is too little data analysis in economics. Of course this implies that they know virtually nothing about how economics is actually done, but it is still a perspective 😉

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43503 Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:49:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43503 In reply to Daniel J. Taylor.

I’m confused. Are you saying economics is not a science because economists can’t run controlled experiments to reliably reproduce their results. So they’re just data analysts and that’s the same as a data scientist? Because that sounds… controversial!

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By: Daniel J. Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43502 Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:45:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43502 In reply to Daniel J. Taylor.

I guess what I am trying to say in far too many words and should have said at the start is that the term ‘data scientist’ is a title given to data analyists or statisticians who want to pretend they are scientisits. Seeing as economists are already keen data analysts the quote above about econonomists being replaced by data scientists is moot.

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By: Daniel J. Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/08/19/discussion-tuesday-31/#comment-43501 Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:31:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11731#comment-43501 In reply to jamesz.

What you say makes sense, although I would strongly differentiate between what I’ve termed a data scientist (in my head at least) and what I would consider a “scientist”, as scientific method requires reproductivity (not something a fair chunck of data can allow for, nor the point of quite a bit of analysis). Perhaps the term Data Analyst is more appropirate? Agreed that big data is not the panacea many claim it to be but could be useful in many instances.

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