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Comments on: Why I’m voting Civilian http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/ The Visible Hand in Economics Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: yogazeal http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43682 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:38:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43682 I have to quibble about your attitude – you say that all those running for office “are good people.” In fact, the NZ politicos I have met are uniformly power-hungry egotists – but they hide this extremely well, and appear very sharp and likable, as are so many psychopaths. Hence we see State-house bred John Key pulling up the bridge and selling State-houses.

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43574 Fri, 19 Sep 2014 00:08:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43574 In reply to Blair.

I’m not that sure elite public servants read TVHE, and if they did I don’t think they’d think terribly much of it. But I like where your head is at. I should try to improve the quality of my posting then 😉

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By: Blair http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43573 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:54:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43573 It seems to me MMP seems to leave individual parties and politicians with limited powers of policy development and implementation, hence the resulting coalition governments tend to hew pretty closely to the advice in terms of the elite public sector officials, which I am guessing is about 200 people. Therefore, in terms of eventually getting something like http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2011/09/08/an-economists-platform/ implemented in the long term, the best strategy is to get people thinking and debating bold ideas among that elite group. Given that most talented bureaucrats almost certainly read NZ economics blogs, I conclude that econobloggers are the most powerful force in New Zealand!

Just with a bit of a lag!

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43572 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:58:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43572 In reply to bliss.

Disagreement is perfectly fair enough, I’m just glad we can put down our respective points of view 🙂

My main issue with economic management isn’t that I don’t want government involved in helping with coordination – it is that the language of economic management can be used to obfuscate issues and hide things. The goal we likely have as a society is around “wellbeing”, and political parties are arguing about policies based on different beliefs regarding what wellbeing is and the trade-offs involved – management speak with an “output” focus on measured variables betrays how complicated this truly is, and can be used to justify harmful actions (especially in the case of something like mass surveillance).

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By: bliss http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43570 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:18:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43570 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Fair enough. I disagree.

I disagree about “..economic management…” language too. To paraphrase someone famous the only thing worse than economic management is no economic management.

peace
W

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43564 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 01:33:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43564 In reply to James.

I’m ok with slow progress on policy as long as we have appropriate institutions in place.

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By: James http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43562 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 01:25:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43562 We are lucky we have just one level of parliament here in NZ. Australia and USA have upper chambers (Senates) and there some real horse trading takes place. It can get to the point where elected governments can barely govern and sometimes can’t.

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By: jamesz http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43558 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:00:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43558 Politics is a team sport: pick a side or leave the game!

http://thedoghousediaries.com/5900

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By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43557 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 06:22:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43557 In reply to bliss.

This is Matt, I am just on my phone and not signed in 🙂

As I said, my view of many of the minor parties is tarnished by the Alliance. I have little faith that, in joining with Labor, they will enact more than cosmetic change – I see their rhetoric as empty. This is reinforced by the “economic management” language that is so heavily used – as this type of language itself helps to justify the form of institutional degradation I’m concerned about.

However, if they do enact significant transparent change post-election it would have a very positive effect on my view of the party. Very positive.

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By: bliss http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/16/why-im-voting-civilian/#comment-43556 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 04:14:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11809#comment-43556 Hmmm…. In the context of this article, how the Greens going to reduce your freedoms and liberties?

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