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Comments on: Blue Green party: background reading http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/ The Visible Hand in Economics Fri, 03 Oct 2014 23:01:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Quote of the Day: Garner on the Greens | The Dismal Science http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43659 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 23:01:43 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43659 […] make up of the Green support base isn’t that stark. But in the context of our discussion (e.g here, & here) about a centrist Green party, if the Greens moved to the centre they would likely lose […]

]]> By: Ian http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43633 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 00:33:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43633 New Zealand really needs a decent centrist social-liberal party, like those common in Northern Europe and Scandinavia. Our constitution allows so much power to the party in Government. MMP should be a tool to check that power by requiring consensus government. While some may be happy we have a majority government, in my view it is dangerous to leave power in the hands of so few people (realistically a small group of senior cabinet ministers – Key, English, Joyce, Brownlee (Collins…) et al.)

]]> By: “Sustainability” and flavours of Green parties | The Dismal Science http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43619 Mon, 29 Sep 2014 22:01:59 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43619 […] In the past the Greens were technology pessimists and tended to believe that we needed strong “quantity” restraints to solve environmental issues (population limits etc).  The “left-right” debate seems to often get stuck on this – with the Greens saying they’ve moved to the centre by embracing market mechanisms and incentives to technology as ways of improving outcomes.  This is a smooth move by the Greens, good stuff – but I think it misses the central difference between the sustainability that the Greens focus on, and the sustainability which is the focus of recent Blue-Greenish rants. […]

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43605 Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:19:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43605 In reply to jh.

Local council are tough beasts … turnout is so low and there are questions about competence and accountability all the time. Perhaps it is an area that needs addressing!

]]> By: jh http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43599 Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:48:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43599 I think if you want the public to vote for you on the environment. you have to start at the local level. For example I went to a neighbourhood rezoning meeting; I spotted the spin when central government was mentioned like mother sending the kids off to school. I asked the first question: ” you said central government has certain imperatives; is it true that population increase is one of the imperatives of central government”
Answer “Oh well, we have immigration and you have to increase the population to increase the wealth, so
I suppose it is an imperative of central government”.
The Greens took the view that immigration was disconnected from Auckland’s housing problems. If you can’t see the connection or follow the logic of incomes/taxes/infrastructure, you aren’t seeing limits to growth (at least as a concept). Likewise if you think the decline of the regions should be arrested by over achievement in some field.

]]> By: Kumara Republic http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43590 Wed, 24 Sep 2014 02:23:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43590 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Apparently they do.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/may/17/uk-halve-carbon-emissions

]]> By: Will Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43589 Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:38:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43589 In reply to Matt Nolan.

And I agree completely. NZ Economists on twitter isn’t a very representative sample!

Twitter in general, or the NZ people I follow definitely is a representative sample…nobody was happy with the election outcome!

]]> By: Will Taylor http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43588 Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:36:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43588 In reply to Matt Nolan.

Updated:)

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43587 Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:10:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43587 In reply to Kumara Republic.

Could well be – how much do the LibDems focus on environmental and “natural capital” issues rather than social justice issues?

]]> By: Matt Nolan http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2014/09/24/blue-green-party-background-reading/#comment-43586 Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:06:00 +0000 http://www.tvhe.co.nz/?p=11832#comment-43586 True, don’t forget this:

http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2010/05/18/we-need-a-new-green-party/

Also Kiwiblog made the point about Progressive Greens: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/09/gareth_morgan_calls_for_a_bluegreen_party.html

There is a discussion here – how much higher is this vote now. Just because we would be part of it doesn’t necessarily mean it would be very big, us and our friends are a biased sample 😉

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