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		<title>Comment on Computers in education by jamesz</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/21/computers-in-education/#comment-40941</link>
		<dc:creator>jamesz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 10:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could fix my typo but then this beautiful comment would make no sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could fix my typo but then this beautiful comment would make no sense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Computers in education by boristhefrog</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/21/computers-in-education/#comment-40940</link>
		<dc:creator>boristhefrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m surprised that William the Conquerer didn&#039;t finger Solow to do something about the Doomsday Book - that might have upped the productivity of the medieval tax collectors....  although on second thought....


Anyway I&#039;m pretty sure it was 1987 that Solow made his comments, but to be fair that was some years before Windows was inflicted on the world and we had the cool tools we have today - what would be interesting is another look at the productivity of computers/smartphones etc given the stuff we can do now...


Apart from play Candy (fecking) Crush Saga that is!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that William the Conquerer didn&#8217;t finger Solow to do something about the Doomsday Book &#8211; that might have upped the productivity of the medieval tax collectors&#8230;.  although on second thought&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;m pretty sure it was 1987 that Solow made his comments, but to be fair that was some years before Windows was inflicted on the world and we had the cool tools we have today &#8211; what would be interesting is another look at the productivity of computers/smartphones etc given the stuff we can do now&#8230;</p>
<p>Apart from play Candy (fecking) Crush Saga that is!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Computers in education by VMC</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/21/computers-in-education/#comment-40939</link>
		<dc:creator>VMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great answer</p>
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		<title>Comment on Computers in education by Matt Nolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trust me, to write the quantity and quality that Solow does you need to have been writing for at least 926 years.  I&#039;m more surprised about the fact that he had foresight about modern computers in 1087.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me, to write the quantity and quality that Solow does you need to have been writing for at least 926 years.  I&#8217;m more surprised about the fact that he had foresight about modern computers in 1087.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Computers in education by VMC</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/21/computers-in-education/#comment-40936</link>
		<dc:creator>VMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That Solow guy has sure been around a while]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solow guy has sure been around a while</p>
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		<title>Comment on Series on tax:  Part 2b &#8211; let&#8217;s experiment with explanations by Matt Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/20/series-on-tax-part-2b-lets-experiment-with-explanations/#comment-40933</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I&#039;m enjoying this series Matt.&quot;

Cheers, that&#039;s nice to hear.  I&#039;m trying to make something that will be clear for both us economists, and for non-economists, without being a violent misrepresentation.  And without just assuming &quot;these are the properties of a tax system we want&quot; as a starting point like most tax things do. We&#039;ll see how it goes :P

&quot;In terms of analysing the distributional impact of tax changes, I think 
we&#039;ve worked ourselves into a corner through having a complex web of 
inter-related tax &amp; welfare policies.&quot;

We&#039;ve pinned down the fact that our knowledge of changes can be pretty limited - which is why our analysis is often fairly partial eqm.  On top of that, we can&#039;t do real distributional analysis with CGE models for the most part, making this all very difficult.  Of course, just like you, I have a preference for at least using the partial eqm logic rather than assuming arbitrary things as politicians and interest groups often do ;)

&quot;For example, the change to building depreciation rules hasn&#039;t been 
discussed when it comes to supply side restrictions in the property 
market.&quot;

That is a very interesting one.  I remember at the time there were a number of economists who liked it because they believed that it would more closely align incentives between owning and renting with fundamentals.  However, I&#039;m not really sure this is the point.

We should be looking at rental investment property as an investment - and simply ensuring it is treated in a way consistent with other investment vehicles.

In this context, reducing the depreciation rebate reduces the incentive to invest, which in turn will reduce the rental stock and increase rents.

These things are all well and good, I suspect that one of the issues is that we talk about housing affordability, but we never clearly define what it is ;)

&quot;So for each individual tax policy there are enormous secondary effects 
that no one talks about, but our basic model assumptions at least help 
us tell a sensible story about what the real distribution &quot;could be&quot;!&quot;

Amen.  And this is one of the key reason economists favour flat and broad tax schedules, combined with targeted progressive transfers.  There are still unintended consequences, but what we are doing is a bit &quot;clearer&quot;.  

The hard thing is that I&#039;ll say to people, &quot;we believe this because we accept that is often insufficient information, or knowledge, to fiddle around with policies&quot;.  Then they will look at me blankly and say &quot;but it&#039;s easy&quot;.  I get this constantly, and I am sure people mean well, but I&#039;m not sure they appreciate how prices work - and that is the real key to the complication.

&quot;Non-economists want one story to explain *everything* and forget that for complex problems even Occam&#039;s Razor hits a limit.&quot;


This is true.  Non-economists often don&#039;t recognise the gap between core and peripheral assumptions as well.  That is what I am writing in my NZAE paper this year - a paper that is turning out to have very little point :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m enjoying this series Matt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers, that&#8217;s nice to hear.  I&#8217;m trying to make something that will be clear for both us economists, and for non-economists, without being a violent misrepresentation.  And without just assuming &#8220;these are the properties of a tax system we want&#8221; as a starting point like most tax things do. We&#8217;ll see how it goes <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;In terms of analysing the distributional impact of tax changes, I think<br />
we&#8217;ve worked ourselves into a corner through having a complex web of<br />
inter-related tax &amp; welfare policies.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve pinned down the fact that our knowledge of changes can be pretty limited &#8211; which is why our analysis is often fairly partial eqm.  On top of that, we can&#8217;t do real distributional analysis with CGE models for the most part, making this all very difficult.  Of course, just like you, I have a preference for at least using the partial eqm logic rather than assuming arbitrary things as politicians and interest groups often do <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;For example, the change to building depreciation rules hasn&#8217;t been<br />
discussed when it comes to supply side restrictions in the property<br />
market.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a very interesting one.  I remember at the time there were a number of economists who liked it because they believed that it would more closely align incentives between owning and renting with fundamentals.  However, I&#8217;m not really sure this is the point.</p>
<p>We should be looking at rental investment property as an investment &#8211; and simply ensuring it is treated in a way consistent with other investment vehicles.</p>
<p>In this context, reducing the depreciation rebate reduces the incentive to invest, which in turn will reduce the rental stock and increase rents.</p>
<p>These things are all well and good, I suspect that one of the issues is that we talk about housing affordability, but we never clearly define what it is <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;So for each individual tax policy there are enormous secondary effects<br />
that no one talks about, but our basic model assumptions at least help<br />
us tell a sensible story about what the real distribution &#8220;could be&#8221;!&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen.  And this is one of the key reason economists favour flat and broad tax schedules, combined with targeted progressive transfers.  There are still unintended consequences, but what we are doing is a bit &#8220;clearer&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The hard thing is that I&#8217;ll say to people, &#8220;we believe this because we accept that is often insufficient information, or knowledge, to fiddle around with policies&#8221;.  Then they will look at me blankly and say &#8220;but it&#8217;s easy&#8221;.  I get this constantly, and I am sure people mean well, but I&#8217;m not sure they appreciate how prices work &#8211; and that is the real key to the complication.</p>
<p>&#8220;Non-economists want one story to explain *everything* and forget that for complex problems even Occam&#8217;s Razor hits a limit.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is true.  Non-economists often don&#8217;t recognise the gap between core and peripheral assumptions as well.  That is what I am writing in my NZAE paper this year &#8211; a paper that is turning out to have very little point <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Series on tax:  Part 2b &#8211; let&#8217;s experiment with explanations by Brennan McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/20/series-on-tax-part-2b-lets-experiment-with-explanations/#comment-40932</link>
		<dc:creator>Brennan McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m enjoying this series Matt.
In terms of analysing the distributional impact of tax changes, I think we&#039;ve worked ourselves into a corner through having a complex web of inter-related tax &amp; welfare policies.
For example, the change to building depreciation rules hasn&#039;t been discussed when it comes to supply side restrictions in the property market.
We know that people can have excessive sensitivity to tax changes in consumption, so they sure can have excessive sensitivity to changes in tax rules. Just think back to the increase in trust retained income after the introduction of the 39c tax rate in 1999.
The ability of Inland Revenue to obtain Taxation Review Authority rulings that clearly exceed Parliament&#039;s intent also introduces enormous uncertainty for firms looking at capital investments financed in non-traditional ways.
So for each individual tax policy there are enormous secondary effects that no one talks about, but our basic model assumptions at least help us tell a sensible story about what the real distribution &quot;could be&quot;!
Non-economists want one story to explain *everything* and forget that for complex problems even Occam&#039;s Razor hits a limit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m enjoying this series Matt.<br />
In terms of analysing the distributional impact of tax changes, I think we&#8217;ve worked ourselves into a corner through having a complex web of inter-related tax &amp; welfare policies.<br />
For example, the change to building depreciation rules hasn&#8217;t been discussed when it comes to supply side restrictions in the property market.<br />
We know that people can have excessive sensitivity to tax changes in consumption, so they sure can have excessive sensitivity to changes in tax rules. Just think back to the increase in trust retained income after the introduction of the 39c tax rate in 1999.<br />
The ability of Inland Revenue to obtain Taxation Review Authority rulings that clearly exceed Parliament&#8217;s intent also introduces enormous uncertainty for firms looking at capital investments financed in non-traditional ways.<br />
So for each individual tax policy there are enormous secondary effects that no one talks about, but our basic model assumptions at least help us tell a sensible story about what the real distribution &#8220;could be&#8221;!<br />
Non-economists want one story to explain *everything* and forget that for complex problems even Occam&#8217;s Razor hits a limit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Series on tax:  Part 2 &#8211; distortions and burden by Series on tax: Part 2b &#8211; let&#8217;s experiment with explanations &#124; TVHE</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/14/series-on-tax-part-2-distortions-and-burden/#comment-40930</link>
		<dc:creator>Series on tax: Part 2b &#8211; let&#8217;s experiment with explanations &#124; TVHE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 20:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the second part of my series on taxation I wrote about distortion and burden.  But I&#8217;m not sure whether my description about wedges and how people respond to prices was [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the second part of my series on taxation I wrote about distortion and burden.  But I&#8217;m not sure whether my description about wedges and how people respond to prices was [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on All I want for budget day by Matt Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/16/all-i-want-for-budget-day/#comment-40929</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 09:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That funding part is most definitely not easy - as it is incredibly difficult to figure out who bears the burden of any tax.  Just because you place a tax on one place does not mean you know who is ultimately paying.

Also what we mean by health, education and base services is socially debatable.  My impression is that what we mean by these services is more than some would think, and less than some others would think ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That funding part is most definitely not easy &#8211; as it is incredibly difficult to figure out who bears the burden of any tax.  Just because you place a tax on one place does not mean you know who is ultimately paying.</p>
<p>Also what we mean by health, education and base services is socially debatable.  My impression is that what we mean by these services is more than some would think, and less than some others would think <img src='http://www.tvhe.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on All I want for budget day by PP</title>
		<link>http://www.tvhe.co.nz/2013/05/16/all-i-want-for-budget-day/#comment-40925</link>
		<dc:creator>PP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes let&#039;s be made aware of the trade offs. But it should be: a clear plan around how best the government spend in order to provide health service, education and base services to ALL (as opposed to how to fund it - that part is easy)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes let&#8217;s be made aware of the trade offs. But it should be: a clear plan around how best the government spend in order to provide health service, education and base services to ALL (as opposed to how to fund it &#8211; that part is easy)</p>
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